© 2025 KWBU
Play Live Radio
Next Up:
0:00
0:00
0:00 0:00
Available On Air Stations

David and Art - When Art Looks at Art

Sofie Hernandez-Simeonidis

In a previous episode of David and Art, David Smith previously discussed the death of artist Brice Marden, but the artists personal life leads to this weeks episode. 

I neglected to tell you last week that for a while, painter Bryce Martin was married to a sister of folk singer Joan Baez. Such a tidbit may not matter much in your assessment of Marden’s work, but it got me thinking of how different forms of art interact with each other.

I think it's interesting when one form of art works alongside another. I can't think of too many good examples of this off the top of my head but the. first one that springs to mind is the interaction between the novelist Emile Zola and the painter Edwouard Manet. Both were key players in the emergence of modernism in France in the second half of the nineteenth century.

In addition to novels Zola wrote art criticism and hotly defended Manet when the artist was raked over the coals by conservative critics for his controversial 1865 painting Olympia.

Manet, in turn, painted Zola's portrait in 1868, placing the writer in a setting crowded with references to the seriousness with which they both took art.

20 years later, Zola wrote a novel about the French art world, loosely based on his friendship with modernist Paul Cezanne and other painters.

More recently, in 1938, poet W.H Auden was Moved to creation when he encountered a painting at the Royal Museum of Fine Arts in Brussels.

In the style of Dutch master Pieter Bruegel the Elder, the painting was ‘Landscape with the Fall of Icarus’ dating from around 1560.

Icarus, you'll remember, was the guy from Greek mythology who, using artificial wings, ignored advice from his father, flew too close to the sun and plunged to his death into the sea. In the painting all you see is Icarus’ legs disappearing below the waves as a ship sails serenely by.

Auden’s poem frames the death as an event who’s affects don’t extend further than the poor Icarus, he says, “about suffering they were never wrong, the old masters, how well they understood it’s human position. How it takes place whilst someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along.”

It’s a great and perceptive poem about a wonderful and intriguing painting. In 2022 Elisa Gabbert wrote about the poem for the New York Times and sharply phrased Auden’s message as “somethings only a disaster if we notice it.”

An idea that fits our distracted society, uncomfortably well.

PREVIOUS EPISODES OF DAVID AND ART
David and Art - A Friend of the Impressionists
Sometimes an artist you love drifts from your mind. Then something happens to remind you. In today’s David and Art, host David Smith revisits a French painter who isn’t a household name but probably should be.
David and Art - Art Deco
In today’s episode of David and Art, revisiting the Paris art show that defined an era—and left its mark on everything from jewelry to architecture. Here’s your host, David Smith.
David and Art - Paint By Numbers
Host David Smith dives into a time when art supplies flew off the shelves and creativity found a new place at home.
David and Art - You Could Find it at Sears - part 2
Vincent Price at Sears?In 1962, horror icon Vincent Price was selling fine art at the Oak Brook Sears. Thanks to a twist involving The Ten Commandments and a TV quiz show, he became the face of affordable art in suburbia.
David and Art - You Can Get it At Sears: Part 1
For decades, Sears was best known for catalogs, clothes, and household goods. But in the early 1960s, the company launched an unexpected experiment—selling original works of art by masters like Chagall, Picasso, and Rembrandt in its stores. Shoppers packed the galleries, eager to take home fine art with the same ease as a new appliance. This segment looks back at Sears’ short-lived but remarkable effort to bring high art into everyday American life.
David and Art - “Who Tells Your Story”
What makes storytelling so powerful? Unlike the stereotype of a dry lecture, storytelling is one of humanity’s oldest art forms—capable of sparking imagination and transforming the way we experience information. Actor Daveed Diggs, best known for his Tony-winning role in Hamilton, says art was the key that made American history finally feel like his story. In this segment, we explore how the power of storytelling—and art more broadly—can reshape the way we engage with history, learning, and the world around us.
David and Art - Matthias the Painter
Sometimes art inspires more art. Composer Paul Hindemith found that spark in the paintings of Matthias Grünewald, creating Mathis der Maler—a piece that became both a symphony and an opera. It’s music that wrestles with creativity, politics, and the fight for artistic freedom in the shadow of Nazi Germany.
David and Art - The Art of War
This week on David and Art, David Smith looks at how artists and writers have portrayed war—not just the battles, but the people living through them.
David and Art - More Scarcity
This week on David and Art, David Smith looks at how artists use their work to reveal scarcity in dignity, opportunity, and connection.
David and Art - Not from Abundance
Most classic art celebrates abundance. This week, David explores work born of something else.

David Smith, host of David and Art, is an American historian with broad interests in his field. He’s been at Baylor University since 2002 teaching classes in American history, military history, and cultural history. For eight years he wrote an arts and culture column for the Waco Tribune-Herald, and his writings on history, art, and culture have appeared in other newspapers from the Wall Street Journal to the Dallas Morning News.